Humans are a race.
So if the Hebrew desert god chose sacrifice animals and bless humans he must be a racist.
in the old testament, can you think of any conceivable reason that an all knowing all powerful god might logically select one small desert tribe in the desert to be his "chosen" people, and leave all the other races of the world out?
isn't that a bit racist?
i mean, he did not choose chinese people, or african people, he specifically chose the jews, and at least as far as i've seen in the narrative, he pretty much lets them treat everyone else however they like.. .
Humans are a race.
So if the Hebrew desert god chose sacrifice animals and bless humans he must be a racist.
it used to for me, and now it doesn't.. i'm not sure how i was able to accept that argument now that i don't, but perhaps it was connected with my increasing compassion for people and their personal suffering as i've grown older.. now it seems like a sick excuse.
more like a bar-bet with satan and all of creation suffers.. i read paul's words and he has no rejoiner except to say in effect "sucks to be a vessel of wrath...glad i'm not one, but who are you to complain anyway, huh?
who's bigger, smarter and more powerful than you, you, you complaining vessel of wrath, you.
N.drew Why stop at mankind? Many accept that the earth and every living thing that it supports is just one complete organism which is also part of the universe. God is the name we give to all that 'is' in its entirety.
Because as humans we feel separated from each other, we have created the concept of a separate god in our own image. Perhaps we are not as separated from each other as we think and our divisions are artificial. There will never be true unity until the whole world realizes the truth is that we are all one. We are responsible for our destiny and our failings. The blessing and the malediction are results of our collective actions.
since leaving all organized religion, all superstition, all acceptance of deity, i have a terrible time truly understanding 'religious' thought.. i really do.. how is it possible for thinking people to just accept, without proof, all they accept?
this morning i overheard a conversation between two christians in a coffee shop.
they say to me 'dad, what's wrong with just being a nice, good person?
To remain calm and sane in a mixed society, I think we have to reach a point where we accept that people are entitled to their faith and beliefs, even if we think they are deluded. Provided they behave in reasonable way and show love to others it doesn’t really matter what people choose to believe.
Even non-religious people have illusions, delusions and crutches that they lean on. If someone has found something that gets them through the night, its ok with me.
what is your truth since you left the wt?.
im still in physically, but mentally left many years ago.
i'm just in for my family as is the usual story.
AGuest: "I would tend to agree with all that dear Glad (peace to you!), posted, dear Iam (peace to you, as well!), with some slight differences:"
Your posts are entertaining as always. Your view of the truth about life amounts to some huge differences.
To me life simply is existence. To you, to truly be alive one must have a relationship with the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, Jaheshua the Chosen One of JAH... otherwise a person a person like me is deemed to be dead and just deluding himself into believing he is alive.
I too have my illusions but I like to keep things simple. I am a slave of life who manages to maintain the illusion that I am alive and reincarnated as a gladiator. I even have the avatar to prove it.
May your gods continue to be real to you and your faith never fail you.
A slave of life.
what is your truth since you left the wt?.
im still in physically, but mentally left many years ago.
i'm just in for my family as is the usual story.
Awareness is everything - it separates illusion from reality. The search for truth is a personal responsibility and sometimes the conclusions reached may not be the ones we had hoped for. It is sometimes easier to believe what we want to, rather than face reality. Reality is not always agreeable, but it is always truthful. There is truth in love. There is truth in the silent witness of nature, for it never lies, it simply is.
Life has chosen to live in us therefore we were worthy of life before we were born. We should never surrender our birthright to gain the approval of those who claim that our right to life is dependent on membership of their club.
We have already been invited to the banquet of life and it is free. The only qualification required is that we are alive and we are wonderfully alive.
do we have the right to judge god?.
this is an important question.
non-believers often become and remain non-believers because they judge that god is incomprehensible or malevolent, and therefore of dubious existence in the form believers claim.
Re: Do we have the right to judge god?
No! God should be allowed to continue enjoying his retirement in peace and let the Devil continue to run the world.
He always tells the truth and knows how to party.
addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.
JonathanH " The world was only a better place for straight white men. Everyone else I'm pretty sure would rather live today than a hundred years ago."
Far more straight white men have been oppressed than have been oppressors. They have suffered terrible injuries and deaths in war for the entire existence of the human race. At one time the average age expectancy for a working man was 40 years. They were worked to death in ship yards, mines and factories. Perhaps reading up on the suffering endured by white men and women during the Spanish inquisition would be educational.
By the way, white men were used as slaves long before black men. Homosexuality was embraced and encourage in both, Greece , Rome and many other cultures, thousands of years ago. Christianity was largely responsible for prejudice developing.
The history of the human race has been one of suffering and exploitation. Just as many white men have been victims of others greed and lust for power as any other human.
Why do I bother to point this out? Because long as people try to claim victim status by blaming the white bogey man, progress will be hampered. How about a little praise for the huge improvement in longevity and quality of life as a direct result of white men’s inventions and their service to humanity. Let’s have a little balance here.
Morality is often a cultural thing and collectively decided by society according to its needs and aims.
hi, peeplezs,.
down over the years i have experienced plenty of discouragement and cynicism about faith and the existence of a god who cares for us.
if i allowed myself to dwell on those things alone, i suppose that i too would be feeling hopeless and cynical and would be just waiting until my time is up.. however, i don't feel that way at all.
Thanks for sharing your feelings and so much of your life LoneWolf.
You come accross as a caring and sensitive man who has lived a full and rewarding life filled with love.
it used to for me, and now it doesn't.. i'm not sure how i was able to accept that argument now that i don't, but perhaps it was connected with my increasing compassion for people and their personal suffering as i've grown older.. now it seems like a sick excuse.
more like a bar-bet with satan and all of creation suffers.. i read paul's words and he has no rejoiner except to say in effect "sucks to be a vessel of wrath...glad i'm not one, but who are you to complain anyway, huh?
who's bigger, smarter and more powerful than you, you, you complaining vessel of wrath, you.
...MANY mentally disadvantaged individuals have made the choice to believe that Jesus Christ is their Saviour.
myelaine Are you speaking from experience?
i've had a goal to drink my first alcohol this year and i decided that i would take the plunge while in my hotel.
i chose a tiny bottle of jacob's creek and retired to my room.. i had two sips and had to stop.
seriously vile.
Qcmbr If you can live comfortably without alcohol why bother taking the risk of becoming used to something that can lead to dependency? There are great advantages to a life without alcohol but very few benefits come from drinking.
If I were you I would enjoy the freedom you have and set myself a more worthy goal.